Additional reflections about Baja….

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Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby BirdbyBird » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:45 pm

I have been thinking a lot about all the pictures and stories that I shared from Baja and felt a need to discuss some of the resent adventure that didn't fit on pictures.
(Others may visit and have different results. :) )

I am glad that I went. I learned a lot. The beaches we visited were nice…like the pictures we posted. But I also didn’t take many pictures of the “less” special stuff. Some have asked and for those that are wondering, I headed back out of Baja about when I expected to. Liz and I had talked earlier in the fall about how long we thought we wanted to stay in Baja and we both had agreed that though we wanted to see the Baja peninsula that there were so many places in the southwest that neither of us had seen, we each wanted so time this winter to explore more of the southwest USA.

I met some wonderful people. As we traveled in Baja (Carol will have to share her experiences on the mainland) there seemed to be an immediate connection to other foreign English-speaking travelers. In almost ever stop, there are folks that will share their assistance, their campfires, their stories, recommendations and experiences. Mitch and I both shared our kayaks with folks that started out being strangers. Mitch had folks offering help for her noisy trailer hitch. You find out about beaches and places you might not have considered driving to. You find out about places you might not want to drive to…. :roll:

For whatever reason, other travelers just seemed more open to sharing their recommendations, knowledge of areas and helpfulness. I never felt scared for my safety. I think I met 9 Canadians (and a few Europeans) for every 1 American. One of the Europeans Mitch and I met in Potrero County Park, after we had crossed back over the border and they were waiting to cross heading south, commented that they have seen fewer and fewer Americans over the past years but that they felt that Canadians don’t get the same “scare” factor from their media. There were other women traveling solo and in small groups.

I don’t plan to go back again. If I had done more of my own research on Baja I may have had a better idea of where I was going. Then again I might not have gone. Then again I might have just headed over to visit Carol and Bill on the mainland to begin with. If I head back to Mexico, I will go to the mainland. (Thank you, Carol for sharing all those pictures and stories….) Baja is not the mainland.

Carol has described the Mainland as being more “civilized.” One of the Canadians we met described Baja as more “rustic.” Remember all those pictures of quaint Mexican villages and streets that Carol posts? You will not find that many in Baja. Once you get past Ensenada, the peninsula is just not that populated. And I was not interested Most of the peninsula is mountain and desert with a few small fishing villages and miles and miles of a two-lane road and few services. The mountains are majestic but then what? There is only one main road down with even smaller roads heading out to other small villages. Most of the highways and beaches are only recommended for 4-wheel drive or off road vehicles. There are not a lot of choices of where to go and where to stay. And many of those listed in Church’s book were not so special.

There really are not many beaches that are accessible without high clearance vehicles or 4-wheel drive. And many of the beautiful beaches you saw in the photographs were changeable from day to day. The pictures don’t capture the winds that were not always there..... but were there most of the time. Observing many of the other tourist/visitors and their rigs I think it helps if you like wind surfing (in that case the wind is a benefit) and or you like to fish. Baja is known for its good fishing.

Be prepared to boondock. There were a couple of beaches that were nice. Several of the campgrounds listed in Church’s book made the boondocking pull offs Nan and I stayed in in Alaska look really good. Even in “campgrounds” electric is often sketchy and ask Liz what she learned about trusting the sewer systems. The two campgrounds in Loreto were the only ones that really felt like full hook up campgrounds with laundry, etc. “Rustic” is neither good nor bad but looking at the pretty pictures we didn’t always share that part….

All four of us ate our several times and Mitch and I often added extra dining out adventures as our part to stimulate the economy. Over all I was not impressed by the restaurants and the food. Sometimes looking around the restaurant I would wonder about the quality and freshness of the foods when many locations had few customers. Baja is struggling.

The folks that Mitch and I met in Bay of LA had been coming down to Mexico for over 20 years. We met many, many folks like that. They return each year either for economic reasons (it is warm and cheep) or because they really like the desolation/isolation…or is that destination? Several people talked about how much the road has been improved in the last ten years. You can witness the road improvement that have been done and are still being completed. You can say quiet thank you’s or shout Hallelujah to a friend over the two way radio when you find a stretch that is smooth and actually has a shoulder. Driving behind Liz’s 8.5 ft wide rig, I can attest that the margin of error for meeting a large semi or Mexican bus on a road with nine foot lanes and no shoulder is not very big. The driving circumstances would not be for everyone or for everyone’s rig.

Carol has shared that the villages that she and Bill visit are most often clean and neat even if when the roads are dirt and dust. Clean is not what I observed most often in Baja. Litter and trash were spread along many of the roads. Few of their highways get adopted by the Girl Scout Troop or Neighborhood Dental clinic. When you did find a wide space to pull off that didn’t have a deep drop off and tried for a potty stop for people and/or dogs, I said prayers for the tires. Broken glass and trash were along most of the highways. The few smaller towns we drove through appeared tired, economically depressed, full of more than their share of trash. I kept remembering some of the sights in Alaska were it appeared that folks just left everything sitting around yards because there were really no dumps and yards were covered with snow most of the year anyway….. It was like that only worse and there was no hope of snow.

Many of the folks that come down year after year have over the years visited different areas and have picked their location where they then return for a month or months at a time. For some it is a time for fishing or their artwork or reading.

There are still so many places I want to explore and visit that I am not ready for that sort of traveling or in this case “not” traveling.

So….I apologize for all the wordiness but I wanted to put all my pretty blog pictures in perspective.

Going to the mainland requires getting a certificate for your vehicle that cost extra $$. This certificate is not required for Baja making a Baja trip a little less expensive. If you are thinking of visiting Mexico don’t let that cost be the factor that deters you from mainland travel. One of the Canadian women we met that has a condo on the mainland said that the insurance might be a little different, too. The mainland does have both small quiet villages and four lane highways that get you through the non-populated areas faster and smoother. It has beaches. It has a wider variety of places and birds and animals. I think I would enjoy the diversity of climate and of the land on the mainland.

My suggest folks read/follow Carol’s blog, do your research and head to the mainland if you want to visit Mexico.
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby VickieP » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:14 pm

Tina, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Your way with words have always been from your heart & are honest whether it be the good or bad. I'm glad you & others have the opportunities to experience travel in other countries & are willing to share them with the rest of us.
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby Bethers » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:32 pm

I agree that if you come to Baja expecting the Mexico of the mainland, it's not what you'll get. Totally agree with Tina,s post. Liz and I talked to someone the other day who has been coming down Baja for years and she said either people love it or hate it. I fall into the love it category and will come back. I'll also go down the mainland someday. It's been years since I visited the mainland, and that was in a car. It's a totally different experience.
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby BarbaraRose » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:37 pm

I appreciate your openness and honesty. Some places just aren't for everyone. I am sure that each of you had a very different perspective on Baja. The photos were all very nice but didn't really inspire me to put Baja on my bucket list. It was very interesting tho to "see" and hear about it, since I knew nothing about Baja before. That is what is nice about this forum. We can visit vicariously thru those traveling to new places, and learn more about them first hand rather than from a travel book. Knowledge is good!
Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby mitch5252 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:31 am

Well, Tina, you pretty much expressed my exact feelings, although much more eloquently than I could have ever done. I, too, learned a lot about people, places, and my own self - all of which will affect any future travel plans.

Thanks for the post. Good job ( as usual...I still say you need to write a book...)
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby JudyJB » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:54 am

This discussion makes me really appreciate the tone and honesty of this forum. Nice analysis. Not every place is for everyone, and that is all OK.
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby rvgrammy1953 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:54 am

Thanks, Tina, for your thoughts on Baja....I, too, enjoyed the photos and posts, but know that it wouldn't be our "cup of tea" to go there....I, also, enjoy Carol & Bill's postings of their travels to the mainland, but unless we do a "resort" trip again, we probably won't do Mexico....once was enough... :)

There is still so much of this country to see...so we'll stick to the highways and byways of the US of A..... ;)
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby avalen » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:39 am

:D thanks for the honest insight and now you can say "been there, done that"
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby IrishIroamed » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:29 am

Ditto what everyone else has said. It's wonderful to hear/see good and not so good areas to go to based on peoples opinions. Having honest opinions about destinations would help me (if I were on the road now), decide about where to go and what to see. Not saying I would skip Baja completely, but about 1/2 way through the Baja Babes trips, I was already thinking that it was not on my 100 places to see, but if I did it would be for a shorter period of time than you gals spent there.

Bad weather is a given in any locale and dealing with detours trying to skip traffic are one thing, but I'd sure want to spend the majority of time in places I really want to see, not just because everyone has gone to a specific destination. Nothing against Mexico personally, but I want to see all the things in the USA I never got to see in my younger days because I had no family to go on summer vacations with.

Thanks for black, white and some grey thoughts about Baja Tina. Guess it all depends on what floats your boat (or kayak in most instances).
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby bluepinecones » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:44 am

Thank you, Tina. Very well put and Mitch is correct - you should seriously consider writing a book.
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby Carolinagal » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:57 am

I've never desired to go to Mexico, so was not tempted to join the group going. #1 reason being its a hot country and I don't like hot :lol: I had studied the map and wondered what you might find interesting on Baja. Liz, has written some interesting blogs, but she is a teacher and sees history and interest in so much. The one I enjoyed the most was the paintings in the Caves, BUT I could not hike that distance to see, so really appreciated her blog on this area. I enjoyed all of the blogs on this trip, but found nothing in any of them, that I found so appealing that I wish I was there, sorry !!!! Your post just confirmed what I already felt, Tina, appreciate you being so honest. If I ever went to Mexico it would be the mainland too, the color and the people that Carol writes of, sound like it would be a nice trip.

Its so nice to know someone has already made a trip to a destination, that not all of us would enjoy, it helps us to wander on to the other areas on our list. So much to see, know way will I see all, so am glad to hear of places that don't really hold an appeal for me. A good reason that I enjoy and appreciate the blogs of those who have already been to an area that I have not yet, helps me to sort out where and what I will see first./

Thank you all for your blogs, and Tina, for confirming the opinion I had,
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby havingfunnow » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:47 am

It's always good to hear complete opinions -- thank you, Tina!

Even so, I think I'd go one day. Miles of empty beach always make happy. :lol:
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby Redetotry » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:51 am

Well said Tina, and while I really enjoyed visiting Baja vicariously, I knew it is an area I would not be comfortable visiting, no surprise there I know :) I loved the narrative and the pictures especially of the birds and the caves. I sensed that it wasn't quite what you might have expected not too far into your trip, mostly because there were few pictures or comments about your puppers. Enjoy the rest of your winter travels and I hope we can meet up on your way home.
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby BirdbyBird » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:20 am

Louise, there are miles of deserted beaches but there are limited beaches that most rigs can actually get to.... :) Take your four wheel drive vehicle. The people were the best and I learned a lot. Exploring is all about learning so it was good. :)
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Re: Additional reflections about Baja….

Postby judi » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:51 pm

Reading the posts I kept thinking that since I had no plans to visit Baja maybe I was missing something great. I'm not fond of hot weather or the desert and prefer the mountains and trees - lots of trees. Thank you for the honest post. Now I don't feel like I'm missing out because we were able to have the experience through your posts and photos. I know it's different than actually being there, but I feel like I'm "off the hook" regarding Baja!
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