Our wound care story

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Our wound care story

Postby Lopo » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:00 pm

Since Vickie asked, and then Marda, who suggested I post this in case anyone else is interested, here is our Derma Wound story. When you find the website, www.progressivedoctors.com, you’ll see testimonials from plenty of people who have used it to heal serious wounds on their dogs. Husband, dog, whichever, we don’t want to lose them!

My DH, Walt, is C5 quadriplegic. He has been for over 50 years. Mostly, he’s not had serious wound issues but when he did, he did it up but good with a stage IV pressure sore on his tailbone (where he sits). He also had a really big nasty wound on his lower leg from having it raked against something metal (he’s not sure what), and after weeks and weeks, it wasn’t healing and had developed a big ol’ black eschar (which he had been telling me was a “scab” but it’s not the same thing). He was at our house in Mexico and would mention this wound to me on the phone, but he plays stuff down so I had no idea how bad it was, and one of the men who works for him (doing personal care) had “mentioned” another sore, which turned out to be a stage IV pressure wound on his coccyx! Hello! Very scary. (For all the years sitting on his rear, he’s done well to avoid them by being moved a LOT, and using a Roho cushion, but he’d been running around Mexico in his Winnebago, forgetting to take care of himself, as men will do when their women aren’t around.)

After seeing 3 different doctors, including Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, and all of them in agreement that he needed a surgery called “flap reconstruction surgery” for the pressure sore, basically a process of chopping him up to the deepest level of the wound, and I suppose stitching it back together, and hoping it would heal, more of a “lick and a promise,” I learned from others online, some of whom had had it repeated 7 times trying to heal, all the time lying flat on one’s back on an airbed which Medicare obviously pays a nice amount on, given the number of calls we got from the wildly enthusiastic bed guy, dying to deliver it and start the billing.

Then one night Walt told me that he decided there was no way he was going to allow them to slice him up and leave him to die - that he'd die on his own terms in his own way. (There’s usually infection in the bone in a stage IV pressure sore and it can quickly go to the bloodstream, as I understand, which is how Christopher Reeve died.) So I did what I always do in a crisis, grabbed and didn’t let go until I found the Derma Wound online at a site called progressivedoctors.com, a site that looked, actually, a bit shady, or not terribly professional, but had a lot of testimonials. I googled the names of the people who had submitted them, and finally came across a gal and her husband, a former Army medic, who were on Facebook, and I contacted them to make sure they had actually used it and had the results they said. And they had. (She is the one who’d had that surgery 7 times for a different wound than the one they used it on.) Well, it made sense that an Army medic would understand wounds better than any wound care center with their fancy equipment, most of which doesn’t work. The husband was super supportive by email as I started in, scared to death, but determined that Walt wasn’t going to die on my watch.

Wound care isn’t something to be done weekly, by the home health care nurses’ schedules - which are, of course, determined by what Medicare will pay for. So to their surprise, and with all due respect that they were doing exactly as they had been taught, I sent the home health nurses packing, and got started, making saline solution at home and applying the DermaWound twice a day. The leg wound was easy enough to treat, and I followed the directions which are given on the website, and saw the wound come to life with fresh blood (to be expected and desirable because a chronic wound won’t heal until is coaxed out of the dormant stage), and although I wanted this wound to heal overnight, it actually took about 6 weeks to completely heal up, and nicely, I might add.

The pressure sore on his butt was small and deep, like the diameter of a pencil, and went to the bone, which was, not sure, but perhaps 2”-3” deep. The healing was slow slow slow, but we got X-rays that showed there was no infection in the bone. He did not sit up longer than 30 minutes at a time, so “Mr. Wildman” who was used to running all over this country and the next, learned to watch a lot of movies and listen to a lot of audiobooks, but he was home, not in a hospital or rehab unit and a darn good patient for me, I must say.

Here’s what I did: I made homemade saline solution (God bless Google) and rinsed it with this in the morning, and then (after much experimenting with equipment) was able to draw about 3 cc’s of the Derma Wound, which is basically just sugar and iodine, out of the tube, into a small disposable syringe, and I squirted it right down into the wound, then covered it with a gauze pad, and then a large adhesive band-aid. There was considerable drainage for a long time, but we could call Dr. Dixon (of Progressivedoctors.com) and ask him anything and get reassurance. The saline solution cost me next to nothing, as I made it by the gallon with distilled water and Kosher salt, brought to boiling, and the Derma Wound is about $40/tube. Over the years, we've used a lot of it.

That was all 3 years ago this month, and the wound is now healed, but because I had to prevent it from closing from the top (they can close at the surface but not be healed beneath), he’s got what I assume will be a permanent scar tissue little orifice (makes me want to check to see why I don’t have one down there, it looks so normal. ;)). I keep Derma Wound on hand and insist on putting just a tiny dab (all that I can get in) still, as a preventative measure since I can’t actually see what’s going on in there.

Don’t hesitate to ask me any questions you might have.

Lois
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby VickieP » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:12 pm

Lois, thank you for sharing your & Walt's story. Ronnie fell off this truck seat lift (raises him from his wheelchair level to truck seat level) while transferring in the rain. That was in 1999 right before we met. He had home health nurses, then the flap reconstruction surgery, in the hospital for 30 days & then they wanted to send him to a nursing home to continue healing. Even though we hadn't even had one actual date yet, he called me, asking if I would help in his care, along with the weekly nurse & his Mom ( :roll: don't ask). He figured if he was put in a nursing home, he would die there. Never having done this before (I was his apartment manager), I learned real quick. He was in the specialized bed for 3 months before being moved back in his hospital bed he used in his apartment.

After that was healed, he only had one pressure sore...on that same spot! It was when our house flooded & we quickly determined that the mattress in our 1st TT didn't have enough cushion. His doctor wanted to admit him in the wound care center, but Ronnie refused. I got that healed after a couple of months, but now when he uses his power wheelchair, like when we're fishing, or driving long periods, like when we travel, the same spot gets irritated & splits at the scar. I've just about got the spot healed from when we took his niece camping & fishing with us this summer, but I'm going to order a tube on your recommendation & see if we can't get it healed up faster. You have no idea (okay you probably do :D ) what this valuable information means! Thank you again for sharing....love this forum!
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby Bethers » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:06 pm

Lois, thank you so much for sharing your story. I know that it's going to help many people. And I'm so glad you never gave up. I'm a big fan of the non-invasive methods of cure - usually the best ones, too. Love how your feelings about the website were "shady" - in all likelihood, that made it more real as they hadn't paid for someone to do up something fancy. I'll definitely be remembering this in case I can ever use it.

Vickie, I'll be looking for your feelings on it after you get it and use it. (Or should I say Ronnie's feelings?)
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby Lopo » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:31 pm

Exactly right about the website, Beth. Like you, I can make websites and I understand fully why some look like that, especially from the old days before there was no other way besides HTML. So on the one hand, I thought "shady," but on the other, I thought, "small operation who can now compete with the big guys." And I liked that. I hope it works well for Ronnie and Vickie, too. There's a big pharma product called "Iodosorb," that was prescribed for the wife of a friend of mine, and he laughed when he realized it's basically iodine and sugar, just like the Derma Wound I tried to get his wife to try, but she was having none of anything the wound care doctor didn't prescribe. (OH, and it costs $170 for a very small tube compared to the $40 for the Derma Wound.)
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby sharon » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:41 am

Ian't it amazing the info we get on this site? I've heard of people not coming back here because there was to much socializing and not enough rv stuff and if it's an rv site that should be the only thing on it! Phooey on them! :lol:
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby retiredhappy » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:51 am

Has anyone ever heard of using honey for healing wounds? I've read that honey doesn't allow bacteria to grow and so helps healing.
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby SoCalGalcas » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:03 am

Thanks Lois for that very interesting post. (And Sharon, I believe this forum is "visiting with friends"...at least for me it is.)
As an old retired nurse, I've always heard of sugar cures for bed sores. I have no use/need for any bed sore cures right now, however, I'm going to write this important info down and put it in a secure place....who knows what the future holds. Thanks for taking the time to post that very important info. lyn
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby SoCalGalcas » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:06 am

PS... I get a lot of laughs from women who can "type" humor!!! lyn
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby Lopo » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:43 am

As for the honey, Karen, yes. I knew a beekeeper years ago who burned his arm severely and immediately thrust it into his vat of honey, and it healed very quickly although the doctor had told him to expect a series of skin grafts. There's a product called Medi-Honey that we bought, but decided to stick with the Derma Wound since we had a support community for it, who helped us a lot when we started out, and we wanted to stick with it. I think nurses in the field have known for years about cures such as honey and sugar, but have to keep their mouths shut. It's so nice that we don't have to keep our mouths shut here, huh? ;) and. Y the way, I'm pretty sure the honey has to be raw (not pasteurized) with its natural enzymes.
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby Redetotry » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:46 pm

retiredhappy wrote:Has anyone ever heard of using honey for healing wounds? I've read that honey doesn't allow bacteria to grow and so helps healing.


First I want to thank you Lopo for sharing your story. Thank goodness you found it and tried it! I too try to look for alternative treatments. I saved the information.

Karen mention using honey for wounds and I've also heard that. I have a skin rash on my torso that is driving me crazy. It pretty much hangs around all year but only gets bad in cold dry weather. I was at our Coop Friday looking for some type of cream with honey in it and found just what i was looking for, except all that was left was the tester. So, home to google the product and found it much less expensive at the companies web site. I am anxiously awaiting my order! This is the link if anyone is interested, looks as though she has a lot of good media coverage. I'll let you know how it works.

http://medicinemamasapothecary.com/about/
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby JudyJB » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:01 pm

I also had heard of the raw honey treatment. I don't understand why honey has to be pasteurized, unless it is due to our bacteria-crazy society.

My mother had extremely fragile skin--just bumping it would cause it to completely peel back in large pieces, and then would get infected. Then she would have had a wound that needed daily care from RNs. The last three years of her life, she had almost non-stop wounds because of the wheelchair she was in and the edge of the bed in her assisted living facility. The nurses used regular gauze and regular tape, so I spent hundreds of dollars each year of my own money on non-stick pads and the stretch stuff you wrap around your leg or arm. They did use saline all the time, but I would have tried the honey or sugar and iodine cure had I known about them at the time, even though her wounds were always surface ones.

OK, here is my dad's cure for infected surface cuts: a good gob of Vicks vaporub. I know this sounds nuts, but it has Vaseline and camphor in it. I don't know why it works, but I still use it.
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Re: Our wound care story

Postby Acadianmom » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:38 pm

My grandpa used something that smelled like Vicks called Snairs Relief. Probably something he got from the Watkins man. He would put it on his legs when they itched so he always smelled like Vicks Salve. I have tried Vicks and it does relieve itching.

My DH uses something called Vetericyn on the horse that he swears by. It looks like water.

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