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Have new book cover! YAY!! Thanks, everyone!

Postby Cudedog » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:27 am

Thanks again to all that commented on my book cover, thanks to all those who "voted" on their choice of cover, thanks to all who went into detail about what they liked - and, most helpfully, what they didn't like - about the previous cover of my book.

And, also, to those who made comments about what they liked - and didn't like - about the "proposed" new book covers.

And just generally thanks to everyone (and to Beth!) for putting up with me on this forum.

Ahem! [clearing throat] I haven't - yet - mentioned the terrible trouble I got into at the recent Pow Wow GTG - heh-heh-heh [insert evil laugh here] due to my. . . er. . . "ineptitude" at the "niceties" of hooking up. . . or rather, that is, in this case, of un-hooking-up. . . Or something. :shock: :o

I'll leave that to a later post! Laura, are you listening? :?

Anyway, here is the "latest".

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I'm still not 100% happy with this one just yet - I think I will need to change the font color from red to green - or some other color that will show up better against the background. And maybe take out some of the falling snow. It seems a bit too much. Perhaps tighten-up a few other things here and there. The image looked just fine on my computer, not so fine when the image was posted online.

Oh well!! I think it is TONS better than the previous book cover (finally found a new boy photo to use!). Didn't use the photo of the rider-in-snow that most seemed to like, because I found out (unfortunately!) that that image was already being used as a cover on a different Amazon book.

This will probably be it in the book department for me for a while. I am also making my stone pendant jewelry like mad, for an upcoming two-day Christmas craft fair at my local fair grounds coming up soon. Should be fun!

Please make comments - pro and con, good and bad - on this new cover if you are of a mind! I welcome them! :D

Thanks again!

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Re: Have new book cover! YAY!! Thanks, everyone!

Postby BarbaraRose » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:00 am

I like this much better! The boy looks like he is thinking about (or remembering) the cowboy. Good job!
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Postby BirdbyBird » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Much better, and I think you are correct to keep working on the color of the title. The boy's "ginger" colored hair and the red of the title don't seem to compliment each other but clash to the eye.
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Postby JudyJB » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:32 pm

I agree with all of the others--MUCH better and obviously a children's book.

What about lining the title with black to make it stand out more??
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Postby snowball » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:29 pm

I too like it much better... I am not seeing too much snow but then I was told I need to have my hearing checked today... :roll: so I am sure eyes need to go to the shop and get a new prescription
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Postby Bethers » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:06 pm

I, too, like it much better. I'd consider changing the boys hair... I think it clashes with most all of the cover. But, he's much better than the original boy.
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Postby BarbaraRose » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:38 pm

Beth, in the book, it talks about the boys red hair so that is why it is that color.
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Postby BarbaraRose » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 pm

snowball wrote:... I am not seeing too much snow but then I was told I need to have my hearing checked today... :roll:
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I had to read that line twice!! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Bethers » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:59 pm

BarbaraRose wrote:Beth, in the book, it talks about the boys red hair so that is why it is that color.
... I know I'm being picky. Looks more orange to me. So I understand, but would prefer it more realistic, to me.
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Re: Have new book cover! YAY!! Thanks, everyone!

Postby Cudedog » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:04 pm

Thanks again to EVERYONE who posted to help me with my book cover project. It has been more helpful than you realize. The really odd part is that (at least at first!) I just couldn't see what every one was talking about regarding the "boy" image. I had to go away for a while and think this through, and BOY am I GLAD that all of you posted about this, and BOY am I GLAD that I finally came to see what all of you were talking about!!

I am a bit "slow" on these kinds of things, but when I take the time needed to think my way through something, I generally get there. Again, thanks to all who posted your sincere, constructive, criticism.

Actually. . . I totally HATE to confess this. . . but. . . to me, the original image of the boy now looks to me like a bleached-out, white faced, copper-headed ghoul. :shock: :o (LOL. Just in time for Halloween! :lol: ).

I have spent about 30 hours in PhotoShop (including another 5 hours this morning) working on this new cover image (this doesn't count the hours spent just looking for a new boy image!) and I think I am finally "there". Wahoo!! :D

The changes made on the image posted above:

1. Making both the cowboy and the horse "thinner". The original cowboy and horse were much too "hefty" and "well fed". The cowboy in my story is a homeless drifter. Heh. . . maybe. :lol:
2. Removed the breast plate and all hints of fancy tack (horse tack is stuff like saddles and bridles and stuff).
3. Changed the "blaze" the stripe down the horse's face
4. Removed the mustache and beard from the cowboy
5. Gave the cowboy a more pleasing facial expression - I thought the previous version made him look fat and menacing
6. Altered the image very slightly, so that the cowboy appears to be looking down at the boy at the same time the boy is "remembering" the cowboy - which shows that the cowboy also "remembers" the boy. Subliminal stuff probably (subliminal works in advertising!). but I know it is there.
7. Added an actual red bandanna to the cowboy, as it is an important story point - the "red neck" in the previous image just wasn't cutting it
8. Altered the image very slightly so that all of the surrounding shubbery seems to be pointing at the cowboy - thus one's eye is drawn towards the cowboy, without one realizing it.
9. Used a more "Christmassy" and light-hearted font for the title
10. Changed the title font color to white, as no other color I tried was really working
11. Removed most of the "falling snow" so there is just a hint of it - this way the cowboy's face is visible (and not obscured by the snowfall).

ETC.!!

I bought this photo on Shutterstock, and so I don't have exclusive rights to the cowboy or the boy image (both can be sold again to anyone who pays Shutterstock for it).

However, by making all of these changes it makes the image substantially different from the Shutterstock original, should this image happen to crop up on another Amazon book cover sometime.

WHEW!!

I really can't thank everyone enough on this. I was really struggling, I could not see what was wrong (although I could tell that something was!!) and all of you came to my rescue!

Without further ado, here is my final book cover image. I have just uploaded it to Amazon, it will take a day or two for it to be put in place in the Amazon bookstore with my book:


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Thanks again!! :D :D :D

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Postby BirdbyBird » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:30 pm

Yes. Yes. To all your hard work.
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Postby Birdie » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:05 pm

That is really great Anne. Perfect timing for the holidays. It looks like a best seller for sure. Best of luck on your jewelry making for the fair.
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Postby monik7 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:14 pm

You’ve done a lot of work on this Anne. I’m impressed! My comment is that, to me, the horse’s muzzle looks too long now and seems to be stretched too long and far down to be natural. Just my observation from having a horse and being around horses so much. I would have left the breast plate as it’s not fancy, just plain leather and standard cowboy equipment, and necessary when traveling up hills and mountains to keep the saddle from slipping toward the horse’s tail. I like this boy much better and also the font and white color used for the title.
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Postby Cudedog » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:29 pm

Everyone - please see the original book cover images at the end of this post. :D

monik7 wrote:You’ve done a lot of work on this Anne. I’m impressed! My comment is that, to me, the horse’s muzzle looks too long now and seems to be stretched too long and far down to be natural. Just my observation from having a horse and being around horses so much. I would have left the breast plate as it’s not fancy, just plain leather and standard cowboy equipment, and necessary when traveling up hills and mountains to keep the saddle from slipping toward the horse’s tail. I like this boy much better and also the font and white color used for the title.
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Sandi!!

You definitely have the eye for details!! Truly awesome comments, and you hit all of them 100%, absolutely right on the nose!!!

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! :D

Just for fun - and just to explain the reasons I think I needed to go in this way (including "turning" the head shot of the boy a bit, so that he seems to be looking more "up" than down - he seems to be looking down in the photo):

monik7 wrote:My comment is that, to me, the horse’s muzzle looks too long now and seems to be stretched too long and far down to be natural. Just my observation from having a horse and being around horses so much.


Again, you are absolutely, 100% correct on this.

The explanation: I actually spent about 15 - 20 hours, over many, many days, searching all of the "stock photo" websites (where one pays $$ for a license to use a photo image - thus making the use of the photo "legal"). I could not find anything that even came close to what I wanted (I even emailed several dude ranches in Wyoming to see if they might like to sell a license for a cowboy image), I just kept returning to the image of this particular "cowboy" that I found on Shutterstock.com.

I will put the original three images that I used - yes, THREE :lol: - uncorrected images of both the cowboy, and the boy, at the bottom of this post.

There are several different images of this cowboy model on horseback on Shutterstock (different poses) and most of these images I also found (also during my research) that these images of this cowboy model were already being used as covers for other Amazon books.

The specific image I finally selected was not (at least as far as I could tell) yet used on an Amazon book cover. However, these other Amazon book covers were similar enough to my chosen image for my book cover, that there could be no mistake that they were the same cowboy and horse!

What to do so that this wouldn't be totally obvious at first glance? I settled on removing the mustache and beard from the cowboy, removing what appeared to be "silver conchos" (I'm sure you know what these are, Sandi, but for everyone else these are often sterling silver saddle decorations) and any other indication that this might be "fancy tack".

I also made the image "thinner" because the cowboy drifter in my story was thin, as is his horse. The original image suggests a well-fed man, and a well-fed horse! This would hardly do :lol:! In making the image "thinner", the effect also made the cowboy taller - and the horse's head longer. Originally, the horse and rider were thinner than what I ended up with (and, thus, the horse's head was longer - although the horse's head is fairly long in the original photo, below) - but I then tweaked the image just a bit so that (hopefully!) this would not be noticed by the average non-horse-person.

I did consider re-sizing the head, but in doing this kind of photo-manipulation work (I am using PhotoShop Elements 13) one needs to go all the way down to the pixel level to make these kinds of changes (often changing one pixel at a time!), if I want them to look even remotely natural. I estimated it might take me another 8-hour day (perhaps more - I am not fast with this stuff) to reduce the size of the horses' head, and then to re-integrate the changed shape of the horse's head back into the photo.

Sandi, you may not know this but I owned and trained horses for more than twenty years (LOL - in my past life!) so I did recognize, as you did (and any horse-savvy person probably would also). I am just hoping that most people won't really notice. If and when I change the cover image again, I might play around a bit with the horses head. Or not! :roll: :lol:

monik7 wrote:I would have left the breast plate as it’s not fancy, just plain leather and standard cowboy equipment, and necessary when traveling up hills and mountains to keep the saddle from slipping toward the horse’s tail.


Again, Sandi, you are totally, absolutely, 100% correct with your observation. You definitely know your horses!

A lone horseman, traveling through rough country, would absolutely need a breast plate attached to his saddle, for precisely the same reasons you very clearly state. "Back in the day" I always always used a breast plate on my western saddle when trail riding in the mountains (best trail ride ever was when a friend trailered us both - and our horses - up to the trailhead of the Pacific Crest Trail, just outside of La Porte, California. We spent the better part of a day riding the PCT. It was years ago, my friend has been gone for many years - but I will never forget it).

Anyway, same problem - all of the images of this same cowboy model, on this same horse, have this very same breast plate. Again, I needed to differentiate my book cover image from the other book covers on Amazon that are using a similar image of the same cowboy on their book cover - at least I needed to change the image enough so this was not so noticeable at first glance. This is the main reason I removed the breast plate. It would not do to have my gentle cowboy story mistaken for a shoot-em-up western!

I am (again!) hoping that the average, non-horse person, will not notice this absence of a breast plate. With horse-savvy people like you, I am surely doomed!!

There are actually a couple of other errors in the image as well - one that I knew (and chose to ignore) and one I noticed only after I uploaded the new cover to Amazon.

1. The horse in the image is a trotting horse, not a single-footing horse as described in my story. Sandy, I am quite sure that you know what a single-footing horse is - but for those who do not, the simple explanation is that, when moving, a single-footing horse puts one foot on the ground at a time, thus "single-foot" (which results in the rider feeling like they are sitting in a gentle rocking chair). A trotting horse will put two feet on the ground at the same time, which is very jarring and uncomfortable for the rider (particularly the inexperienced). Single-footing horses (if anyone is interested in a longer definition of this term, please Google it) are not very common today, and are difficult to find if one is looking for such a horse. But in the days of the old west (and also in even earlier times), when the riding horse was often the primary method of transportation, such horses were held in high regard, and were often in high demand.

Today, horse breeds like the Tennessee Walking Horse, the Missouri Foxtrotter, and the Peruvian Paso are all, basically, a type of "single-footing" horse.

2. (This one kind of bugs me, I didn't notice it before I uploaded the image, but I'm going to let it alone for now): There seems to be a tree branch growing out of the cowboy's left shoulder! Yikes!!

In closing, I would like to again sincerely thank you, Sandi, for your well-considered, keen, and absolutely spot-on - and horse-savvy - observations. Good job, and I very sincerely thank you for it!

The THREE (!, yep, 3) original, un-retouched photos (just made smaller so they don't take up the entire page) I used for my book cover are below.

Happy reading, everyone!! :D

Anne

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And my actual book cover - a combination/blend of all three images:
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Postby BirdbyBird » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:44 pm

Anne, I appreciate you allowing us a glimpse into this fascinating process and evaluation period. Having been exposed to and worked with many breeds of horses over my younger years, what I noticed was that the horse didn't jump out as a particular breed. I had forgotten the reference to "single foot". Besides the pure breed horses (boarders and/or retired show horses) of those years, most of the "school horses" I met and worked with in those younger years came in as mixed breeds and "grade horses." They came in all sizes and shapes and not necessarily the balanced proportions of the finest horse flesh but they were hard working and earned their living honestly. I figured that a cowboy's horse might easily fall into a similar category.
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